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  • Nov. 25th, 2005 at 10:06 PM
Duck - Yellow
So a few weeks ago, I bought a 500mhz iMac DV. I've never got around to bringing it home from work, so it's just been sitting there. I had issues with the mouse (Apple Pro Optical) when I last tried to use it, but put it aside until earlier this week. It turns out, like for many other people, the mouse cable has broken internally, due to insufficient strain relief, so it only worked if you push the cable into the mouse. Not a good solution.

I came across this page, which talks about how to get into the mouse. Basically, it's epoxied closed, and there's no way you can put it back together properly once opened. I found another version which uses a little more finesse and a hacksaw to get into it, but really, I didn't care, I have several of these mice, and frankly I prefer Microsoft ones. But being bored and having the tools, I opened mine up and fixed the cable. Like the guy says, it is *really* fine cable. After ascertaining that it all worked, I pondered what to do next...

Yesterday, we had a cleanup at work, and chucked many, many Apple keyboards and mice in a dumpster (along with about 10 x PowerMac 7200/75). The heaving was fun. I saved one of the original ADB mice, gave it a bit of a clean and opened it up. 4 screws in the bottom, not some diabolical work of the devil like the Apple Pro Optical mice. Somewhat to my surprise, the circuit board from the optical mouse, made 12 years later, was exactly the right size to fit inside it. Huzzah!

While the microswitch for the button click is in almost exactly the same place (and is the same component between the two eras!) The lens for the optical mouse is in a slightly different place to where the mouse ball was, so I knew I'd need to cut through the case and the ring. To keep the ring in place when this was cut out, I used a fine soldering iron to weld the ring into the case by gently and carefully swirling it through the plastic (ABS if I'm not mistaken)

While doing this, one of Apple's state reps was visiting the office on an unrelated matter. He asked what I was doing. I suggested he would probably consider it a crime against nature.

I got a scalpel and cut the strain relief off the ADB cable, making my one minor mistake.. I cut through the top side, not the bottom, which means you can see the cut. Oops, oh well. I took that home, along with the ADB mouse case, the optical mouse circuit board, lens and USB. A few (ok, 45) minutes later with a Dremel-style tool, I had an appropriately sized hole in the bottom for the lens assembly. If you're doing this, remember that it needs to be slightly smaller to hold it in place (or use hot glue. Mine is held in by the PCB, despite what it might look like). Then it was just a matter of applying some hot glue to hold the PCB and wire in place (and to insulate the braiding on the wire), put the four screws back in, and hey presto, a 100% Apple mouse ;) Yes, I'm not the first person to do something like this, but this one is 100% Apple.







:D

Update: from the mouse, I now have many of the components needed for a WinLIRC receiver. M'hey :D

Comments

[info]splashed wrote:
Nov. 25th, 2005 02:56 pm (UTC)
Wrong. Just wrong
[info]theholymac wrote:
Nov. 27th, 2005 10:32 pm (UTC)
why would it be wrong? I've been thinking of doing this for ages!
[info]grahame wrote:
Nov. 25th, 2005 03:06 pm (UTC)
Seedy.
[info]koyote wrote:
Nov. 25th, 2005 03:15 pm (UTC)
sweet, I want one for the office (at apple, as it happens)
[info]ducts wrote:
Nov. 25th, 2005 03:18 pm (UTC)
I love it.

I always wanted to drive a DEC puck instead, though...
[info]mkj wrote:
Nov. 25th, 2005 05:33 pm (UTC)
Nice work.
Perhaps it'd be worth applying the same treatment to a comfy-to-hold Sun crossbow mice.
[info]frenchiephish wrote:
Nov. 26th, 2005 02:45 am (UTC)
Yeah, that'd be awesome, They're nice mice except for the whole not being optical
[info]shigawire wrote:
Nov. 27th, 2005 03:16 am (UTC)
Dude, you're going to hell for this one :)

Neat hack though
[info]wishi_waspecial wrote:
Nov. 27th, 2005 04:32 pm (UTC)
Curious.
[info]bobbyxbombshell wrote:
Nov. 27th, 2005 06:37 pm (UTC)
Your probly the only person who still uses a mouse that looks like that.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Nov. 27th, 2005 07:53 pm (UTC)
Not so!

http://lowendmac.com
(Anonymous) wrote:
Dec. 2nd, 2005 11:16 pm (UTC)
nice bangs.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Nov. 27th, 2005 08:11 pm (UTC)
Cool! Very retro!
[info]theholymac wrote:
Nov. 27th, 2005 10:41 pm (UTC)
I love it! I've been thinking of doing this for ages, I've got a those ADB I mice of those lying around, and I love the shape and feel of them compared with what you can get nowadays.

I've seen another conversion almost exactly like this elsewhere on the 'net, the bottom looked a lot sloppier, but they used a beige USB cable.

Quick question: I see that your mouse was a G5431 model, all I've got are the far better A9M0331 models. Did yours have a separate board for the mouse button, or was the whole thing on one board?

Thanks!
[info]theducks wrote:
Nov. 27th, 2005 11:27 pm (UTC)
The whole mouse assembly is one board. I assume the A9M0331 is the white Apple Optical Mouse with no pressure adjustment ring on the bottom?

Realistically, if I didn't have a broken Apple Optical Pro Mouse, I would have just used a $9 generic optical USB one, but that wouldn't be as cool ;)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Nov. 27th, 2005 11:29 pm (UTC)
MURDER
Throwing away perfectly good hardware deserves death! Ebay would have gotten a pretty penny for every machine.
[info]theholymac wrote:
Nov. 27th, 2005 11:39 pm (UTC)
Re: MURDER
oh, and STRONGLY AGREED. Old macs should never been thrown out. Admittedly, 7200's aren't in all that much demand; I'd be far more angry if we were talking about 680x0 machines (I might have to hunt you down and kill you if you threw out working SE/30s). But regardless, working macs should never be thrown out, and dead macs should at least be parted out.
[info]theducks wrote:
Nov. 28th, 2005 12:23 am (UTC)
Re: MURDER
Good thing I didn't mention the Quadra 900 and the multiple LCIII's and LC475's that ended up in there ;) We saved an SE, an original iMac and a Plus.

Unfortunately, I live in Perth, Western Australia, which suffers greatly from tyranny of distance. Shipping any of the stuff out of here would have cost more than it was worth. I felt great pain when chucking the Quadra 900, but realistically, no-one wanted it here, and the thing is huge :(
[info]theholymac wrote:
Nov. 28th, 2005 12:29 am (UTC)
Re: MURDER
ok, I can forgive the LCs, as basically the only thing worth salvaging out of an LC is the RAM and any cars in the expansion slot, both for sale on ebay. 475s sometimes go for quite a bit, but oh well...

But the 900 is totally unforgivable, even with the distance factor (I feel your pain there) PLUS gigantic heavy case factor. Depending on how you look at it, the Quadra 900 is the 2nd or 3rd best 680x0 mac EVER, only beaten by the 950 and possibly the SE/30.

Bounty hunters have been dispatched to your area.
[info]theducks wrote:
Nov. 28th, 2005 12:36 am (UTC)
Re: MURDER
I felt pain throwing the 900. I remember when they were announced, at something like AU$15,000. Unfortunately, this one was missing almost all of its internal cables, drives and nubus cards and didn't have the key for the front power switch.

It wasn't in working condition anymore, having long since been gutted for other macs, but we just didn't have space to keep it anymore.
[info]theholymac wrote:
Nov. 28th, 2005 12:57 am (UTC)
Re: MURDER
Yeah, but JUST the motherboard would have been very appreciated on ebay.
[info]theducks wrote:
Nov. 28th, 2005 12:39 am (UTC)
Re: MURDER
and if it's any consolation, this time last year, I saved a Powerbook 540 and Powerbook 1400 from dumpsteration. I also have a Mac Portable (non backlit) and a Powerbook 100 I saved from similar fates.

Powerbooks are much easier to find space for :)
[info]theholymac wrote:
Nov. 28th, 2005 01:00 am (UTC)
Re: MURDER
Yeah, I totally understand. I'm in college now, so I've ditched all of my Mac II's, Quadras, and PowerMacs back in my parent's basement. I'm currently running with an entirely portable lineup, except for one SE (and an Imagewriter I, if that counts).
[info]theholymac wrote:
Nov. 27th, 2005 11:36 pm (UTC)
I think you're confused, I was asking about the ADB mouse, not the optical.

There were two models of the square ADB I Apple mouse, the A9M0331 and the G5431. The A9M was far superior, the rollers for the mouse ball were metal and it NEVER gummed up. Ever opther ball mouse I have ever seen used plasic rollers that had to be cleaned constantly, I've seen mounds of lint and crud come out of A9M's that were working perfectly.

All I have at the moment is A9M's, and they all have one board inside the mouse. But I've seen pictures of this type of mouse that has a separate board for the clicker, I'm assuming that's what the G5431's look like on the inside, and I'm looking for confirmation.

It would make it simpler in some ways to do a conversion, if the optical had a small PCB. You could leave the original mouse board in place, and soldier the wires to the point on the optical's PCB where the signal for the click needs to go. In other words, no worries about lining up the switch properly, and you'd keep that distinctive feel that these mice had.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Nov. 28th, 2005 03:49 am (UTC)
Is it just me or is that usb cable just a tad to short
(Anonymous) wrote:
Nov. 28th, 2005 05:17 am (UTC)
Yes. It's a little over 40cm long. It's meant to plug directly into the Apple keyboards and it's OK for that. The Apple keyboards also have ridiculously short cables, less than one metre.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Sep. 16th, 2007 12:54 pm (UTC)
Well, when I saw this artikle, I took out the old ADB mouse lying here, and it is a G5431. You are right with the plastic rollers, but it also have one board inside the mouse and no seperate board for the click. (Well, or I missunderstood you. My english is not very good at all).
I disassembled it and made pictures, here it is:
http://bayimg.com/MagpNaaBp
(Sorry for the poor image quality. My Cam is a piece of crap.)

Greetings, Jeric.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Nov. 28th, 2005 05:26 pm (UTC)
Nice... except for the cable
The skinny clear USB cable spoils the effect. Could you scrounge up a beige USB cable, or perhaps use the original ADB cable to carry the USB signal (solder it to the USB mouse guts at one end, and to the USB connector at the other?)

As they say, god is in the details.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Nov. 29th, 2005 01:26 am (UTC)
Re: Nice... except for the cable
or you could just do a quick search and find out that theyre not epoxied after all....

http://gatheringspot.com/sewardweb/applepromouse/

but i like retro.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Nov. 29th, 2005 01:29 am (UTC)
Re: Nice... except for the cable
actually what i ment is it is epoxied, but theres a way to do it.
[info]theducks wrote:
Nov. 29th, 2005 03:35 am (UTC)
Re: Nice... except for the cable
I saw that page. It requires taking to your mouse with a hacksaw. It still isn't going back together properly. Fixing the mouse wasn't the point. I have several working pro mice, and I don't like the much to be honest. I couldn't use the original ADB cable, as it only has 3 wires + sheild whereas USB uses 4 + sheild.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Dec. 7th, 2005 06:36 pm (UTC)
I Mad One Too!
Sorry to bite your idea, but it was too cool not too.

http://flickr.com/photos/cinemafia/sets/1531410/

Thanks!
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2006 02:37 am (UTC)
mouse evolution...
who's going to make a wireless version of this bad boy?
(Anonymous) wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2006 03:59 pm (UTC)
Vintage Systems
If you have another clean-up, EBAY THE STUFF!!!! I consider it extremely wasteful, almost a crime, to just throw away perfectly good computers and hardware. You could also (if you have the time), donate the vintage systems to pre-schools etc.

I guess the vintage Mac community should stop yelling at you now.
[info]sonick_rnd wrote:
Aug. 1st, 2006 06:27 am (UTC)
It's not cool hack, I dreamin' about OPTICAL ADB, not OPTICAL USB in old body! %)
(Anonymous) wrote:
Feb. 13th, 2007 05:38 am (UTC)
The "bottom" hole
Can you give any specifics on how big the hole you cut in the bottom is?
[info]theducks wrote:
Feb. 13th, 2007 05:54 am (UTC)
Re: The "bottom" hole
Hi Mr Employee of the Texas Capital Bank,

The hole was made big enough to fit the lens module from the optical mouse. This was done by eye/fit/grind.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jan. 25th, 2008 07:00 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I'm just going to have to add another outcry from the vintage mac community. I literally made audible noises when reading your post. Powermac 7200's are still extremely usable machines.

tl;dr BAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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